No one is prophet in his own country...
Mesh! Ah, Mesh... Trust You, Confined, The Purest People, The Damage You Do, It Scares Me, Confined, My Defender, Firefly, Leave You Nothing, No Place Like Home, Petrified, This Is What You Wanted, Room With A View... An incredible collection of unmistakable hits, that kind of songs that invades your head and never get out, the warm and vibrant voice of Mark Hockings, melodies which are scratching your heart or making you fidgety, in a word – that I say straight out – one of the better even the best electropop band all over the world! Since Depeche Mode is getting older, Mesh is taking over and raises high the flag of killing pop song, as only (almost) English musicians know how to do. Very friendly interview with Rich Silverthorn, the much inspired composer of the band.
First of all, a question never asked but important according to me: why such a name, MESH? Does it mean something to you?
Rich: I’m afraid there is no real meaning behind it. When you start a band, coming up with a name is really difficult and can take up too much energy and time. Mark suggested "mesh" and we all just said "yep" that’s fine.
You are from Bristol, a town known as Massive Attack and trip-hop’s native land. Did living in a town fond of music help you for your career or not? Was it a good motivation to compose or do you dislike trip-hop stuff?
Rich: I think Bristol is well known for its trip-hop but there is a lot of other music happening here as well. For us living here it was not really an influence. We all grew up listening to early electronic music and our motivation to start making music stemmed from there.
People often compare you with Depeche Mode, which is positive. Are you upset by this?
Rich: Ahh... OK, if people say it in a complimentary way, meaning we write good songs and melodies then it’s fine, but if people try and imply we have copied them in anyway then this really pisses us off. DM are a fantastic band and I do own some of their music in my collection, but they are one of hundreds of bands I listen to, what would be the point in trying to sound like them? The greatest compliment we get is people saying other bands sound like us, which means we have our own distinct sound.
Do you think the fact that DM and you have the same engineer and co-producer Gareth Jones could reinforce that comparison?
Rich: No, usually we write, record, produce and mix ourselves but with this album our record company wanted to try and use some outside help
for a change.
No one is a prophet in his own country: England don’t know you very much, though you are famous in many other countries, especially Germany where tough music such as EBM is known. Do you believe that this country of beer and muscle like the "fragility" of your music?
Rich: Yes, most definitely, the German fans have been very receptive to our music... Every time we tour there it seems to get better and better. I guess it is our strongest territory. Having said that with the help of the Internet we have quite an extensive fan base throughout the world. England is a very difficult country to break through, trends for different styles of music move very quickly here. We can play a show in London and have 700 people show up but its still classed as "underground" yet a popular chart/radio band may only get 300??? Who knows?
About "Fragile" things, by the way, your past records were delicate and full of melancholy, featuring sad and beautiful songs, and sometimes guitar: on "We Collide", the sound is bigger, with more guitars, almost rock music songs. Revolution or evolution in your quest for a new sound since "Who Watches Over Me?" in 2002?
Rich: Every time we write a new album we try and evolve and push our music into different place. With "Who Watches Over Me?" reviewers said that it was a fantastic album but maybe too polished/commercial. With "We Collide" we wrote an album we wanted to. I think we tried to make it more edgy and rougher sounding, guitars helped a lot with that. We have always used guitars in our music but perhaps in a more textured way, so they sat back in the mix or were filtered down. This time we made them sound more conventional and pushed them to the front and perhaps created the more rockier feel...
Do you try, with this new sound to reach a larger English audience? Or maybe your evolution has nothing to do with this?
Rich: You always hope that you will appeal to more people each time you release an album but there has never been a conscious effort to change in anyway to achieve this. I want the listener to like us for what we are not what we are trying to become. I think to break through in the UK at the moment we’d have to start doing indy rock or hip-hop which I really don’t think will happen! ;-)
How do you compose your songs? Guided by your inspiration only or do you try to deal with the fans's wishes?
Rich: No we tend to write from within and hope it touches the fans after. We write in 2 different ways: 1. I will write a complete piece of
music and give it to Mark to add lyrics or 2. Mark will write a song and give it to me to arrange music around his vocals.
Though the record "We Collide" sounds easier to hear for new people, except "This Is What You Wanted", there isn’t any hit as in the past, you know, that kind of song that invades your head and you have it on your mind at least the whole day like "Trust You", "Scares Me" or "Firefly"... "We Collide" looks more like a whole global record, maybe with a concept. Is it, according to you?
Rich: Umm... I'm not really sure, I have read reviews of people saying there is at least 8 singles on this album... "Wow", was my initial reaction. It is hard to say as we hear it in a different way to you and the listener. We have always tried to write a well crafted album that means something rather than opting for a couple of good tracks padded out with a load of shit like a lot of bands do.
Except for "No Place Like Home" or "Room With A View", pure wonders, we feel less melancholy and more anger, maybe rage throughout the record. Are you angry? With the whole world? (Why not, after all!) Do you fight, and "collide" against that world of injustice?
Rich: It is a good way of letting of steam by putting your thoughts down in songs and preaching them to as many people as possible, but if the truth is known we are quite happy people. There is far too much injustice in the world (and the music industry) so it is just our way of dealing with it.
About the cover, why such a picture: a gun and a child game, hopscotch? Why is the gun on number 2? Have you killed the child in you?
Rich: The cover is to represent that there is a confrontational side to all of us, even in childhood. Some people meet others collide.
Neil left Mesh in September, for personal convenience but in good terms and you remain friends, as it seems. You booked a new keyboard player, Geoff Pinckney from Alien 6 (remixer for the "Crash" single), for live performance during the "We Collide" tour and hopefully more. Do you think to keep him as a full Mesh member? Or trying to catch a new member? Or going on as a duo?
Rich: Mesh has always been the writing team of myself and Mark so we will carry on as this. Geoff has been a fantastic new addition to the live show and I think we are stronger than ever before. I don’t think we will be looking for a full time replacement.
For all the French fans: will you go on tour here in France? When, where (no dates about this on your website...;-( )?
Rich: Ahh... We would love to do a show in France, I think the last time was a few years back with Apoptygma Berzerk in La Locomotive. I think we are long over due for another show... Watch this space :-)
Thank you very much!
Rich: Thank you for the support and best wishes.
Jean-Marc Ligny, YAEW.com